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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 11, 2006 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

all good except the last one, I don't think Jerry initially left a mess, but it became one more recently. The Other One's did well and also The Dead. To me, the "mess" was the SB trip here last Thanksgiving, but it was moving that way already, i just did'nt see it coming. It would be great to find out sometime that the pulling of gdlive was held up by one of the Dead, so we could DL like crazy. I remember it going down around Christmas i think for at least 3 weeks. Came back one more time. Bobby sure did take a hit, but he's feisty. Then again, there was a time Phil was busting tapers, it all comes and goes
i dunno, I'm glad that there are not many online now lol
i'm sure poasted!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

That Rhino deal had to be well in works prior to the boards being pulled. Those kind of deals dont normally happen in just a week or so. Maybe the dead did hold things off for awhile for the LMA and gd.live - if so, kudos to them. They probably were contractually not allowed to say a damn thing. Anyhoo, it is what it is and we got a whole boatload of good boards over the past several years for nothing. Good deal. I still think it is a bad deal for Rhino - i really don't know what they are thinking. the dead audience is truly shrinking fast (if you dont believe me, just look around, no more dead stickers on cars like we had before - except maybe you left coast people). There just don't seem to be enough of us left to be commercially viable for a company like Rhino unless they have some phenomenal plan up their sleeves that is just too good to pass up. Time will tell. IMHO the dead are dead commercially (but not in my heart).

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-08-12 02:49:06

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 11, 2006 11:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

I'm with you Direwolf. Glad to finally see some sensible analysis of this crazy situation. Folks, it's time to pull our heads out of the clouds and look at reality, that is, that business runs the world today, not art, and certainly not fan-based input on corporate decisions. Remember in 1971 when the Dead put postcards in "Live Dead" for deadheads to mail in? See ya!
GD Live is never coming back, neither are any other ftp servers with free dead shows. That era is gone, at least for quite a while. Not unlike the Bush regime, Rhino is gonna try to squeeze every last dollar out of a dwindling resource - the Dead vault - before realizing that their market is gone (just like the oil supply).
You may hold me to this prediction - I'll be surprised if Rhino releases 6 Dead shows a year, tops. Why? Because their number crunchers are gonna tell them that's all they can hope to sell. Let's face it, the jam band scene is getting more diverse, larger, and - younger, mostly kids who don't relate to the Dead at all.
Although I do respect what Rhino has done for other artists, like Todd Rundgren for instance, marketing live shows is another animal altogether, especially over 3,000 of them! I hold to my belief, until a court case proves otherwise, that a band does not own the right to prevent circulation of that show UNTIL they release it as a commercial product. And certainly not a 30+ year old show that you have failed to claim copyright on for decades. Be like me letting you grow apple trees on part of my land for 30 yrs., and then suddenly having you arrested for tresspassing. Court would throw that right out.
The ONLY solution for Rhino, but don't hold your breath, is to do what you, me and others have said for a long time. Put up the whole vault - and charge a yearly membership fee to download. Sure, there would be hackers. But Rhino would still get a good return on its investment. Certainly more money than trying to trickle out 5-6 releases a year. Which they could ALSO do. Open the vault at a low fee, and then remaster the special shows and charge a regular $20-$25 cost for those. Are you listening Rhino? Right now you've got thousands of shows sitting there earning you NO money at all. You don't possibly have the manpower to clean up and remaster the vault before most of your Deadhead market is in the retirement home!! Let's be realistic.
With the advent of DVD's and ZIP drives, there are now literally thousands of Dead shows circulating thru the mail. People are mailing each other entire years. How many virtual copies of the Archive do you imagine are floating around now? I've got 90% of it sitting here on my shelves. Whatta ya gonna do Rhino. If you want our bucks (I just bought Dick's Picks 30, see I DO support you) then you've gotta give us what we want. Which includes treating the fan base with some respect. Time will tell.
The people mainly responsible for us having this great legacy of shows to share - AND for helping the sales of Dick's Picks and other releases, are the countless folks who cleaned up and patched these shows for the last 30 years - Charlie Miller, Daryl Hinko, and others too many to name. They, and us dear listeners, are the ones who truly know the value of this music - and it doesn't have a dollar sign on it. Enough said. Rave on Jerry, rave on Captain Trips.
cheers,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: lostmoon Date: Aug 12, 2006 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

Flashback, I agree w/it all, except why the Bush/Oil comments? We all drive cars that run on gas; most pay taxes. What does Rhino care about Bush policies and the price of gas when it comes to how best merchise the GD Vault?

I'd love to take you comments and send them to the CEO at Rhino and ask him directly if he is in the game and willing to be a bit innovative.

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 12, 2006 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

I just love to be proven wrong. Such is the way of wisdom.
Less than 24 hours after I said it was never coming back, GD Live is once more. Nothing new, but hey, gift horses and all that.
There is LOTS of good JGB band, if you don't have much Jerry solo, you owe it to yerself to check this out. Especially now that this ALMOST coincided with Jerry's Bday. Close, but, well God's been on vacation. You know how it is.
I find that pasting the http into my ftp browser works better than the ftp address, for some reason. Using their main website has always been a little buggy for DLing.
try this -
http://www.gdlive.com
However, for the MP3 Dead and Jerry shows, you'll need these links. Also a TON of shows here.
ftp://gdlive.com/dead
and
ftp://gdlive.com/jerry
It's gonna be an all Jerry weekend at the Dr.'s house!! I was all cued up to DL these Jerry shows when GDLive went down. The Nov 1972 show in Texas with Leon Russell is not to be missed!!!
cheers,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 12, 2006 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

my hope is that a lot of the suits at Rhino are Deadheads who understand and will do the right thing -ha!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Aug 12, 2006 3:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

Jerry Garcia wanted to sell memberships to his Grateful Dead vault. He suggested that there be an undetermined annual fee to download all of the music you ever wanted.

This back stage conversation, with Dan Healy and David Gans, was between sets at the Greek Theatre in 1988 or 89. Somebody must have that KPFA tape? Let Rhino hear it from his own mouth.

Downloading music from the GDM site wasn't practical more than 15 years ago. Most people were using slow 56k dial up connections at the time; so they put this idea on the back burner. Things have changed. Everybody has a DSL or cable internet connection unless they're way out in the boondocks. Garcia's pipe dream is a reality now, if RHINO did it today.

Surving band members didn't surrender their copyrights! What RHINO got was a ten year license to sell commercial Grateful Dead recordings at a profit...



This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2006-08-12 10:46:24

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Poster: nchead Date: Aug 12, 2006 3:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

If rhino does decide to sort through the catalog themselves and pick the best shows they will have to hire the most qualified people for the job........how does that interview go and what qualifications does the interviewer have? Hope the aud. shows hang around.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 11, 2006 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

Here's another alternate concept. The public interest is not in purchaing commercial releases of an already known product. My interest, like (I assume) many others is creating our own "vault" of personally meaningful Grateful Dead audio. But not being spoon fed by the GD enterprise. When this site had the SBD's for download, I was living like I had the keys to the vault and was capable of hand-picking my own personally valuable audio library.

Pardon the phrase, but I was my own Dick.

So...how do you appeal to that? Not by limiting the availability of content. Not the "download series. Not more best of. Not Dicks Picks. How about "Membership To The Vault?" Make the membership fees attractive enough, remaster some of the content on a regular basis and I'll sign up.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 11, 2006 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

I'm right behind you, membership to the Vault!...Hey RHINO!!!
Boy, you had the being your own dick thing well in hand, the sick bits series at bt.etree aint shabby either. Maybe they could get the ball rolling on the Terrapin thing too and Sunshine Daydream DVD...could be the pipedream kicking in...

I'd bet there are thousands of the living Deadheads who would pay for unlimited acsess to the Vault

This post was modified by Rastamon on 2006-08-12 04:12:58

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2006 9:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

still not sure Rhino could recoup profit on that though - expensive enterprise and not enough of "us" left - just my opion

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Poster: DeadDave50 Date: Aug 11, 2006 10:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: An Alternate Theory

"Not enough of us left".....wow that sounds sad when I see it in print,but "we" are shrinking in size...Sad to me that people missed out on the "Long strange trip".....Everytime a show helps me into another day,I say thanks guys.Time moves on for all of us,but for a few minutes,or hours a day I am 21 again.I have all my hair,girls do not call me "sir",and I have hope for my future and the world.....But then I shut down my tunes and return to todays reality..........................
........Thanks guys..................


PS Rastamon: I am in Ohio,but God how I love the Bay......